Analysis of the Gorgias

This dialogue can be seen as Plato's defense of the life of Socrates. In it he argues that THE LIFE OF SOCRATES was both JUST and BEST (it was a good life and this is the best kind of life for us to live). This life is placed in sharp contrast with the life of the tyrant Archelaus (who, while living a "bad" life, appeared to many to also live a successful and happy life). The argument is developed out of the seemingly innocuous topic of Rhetoric. (The full text of the Gorgias can be found at the ILTclassics site.)

Part I Socrates vs. Gorgias (447a-461a)

Part II Socrates vs. Polus (461b-481b)

      Soc: Rhetoric is "a branch of politics dealing with flattery." It is foul and ugly.

      Polus: But those who possess this art are powerful and they can do what they see fit...

      Soc: They are not really powerful and they do not do what they may wish (though, like Achelaus, they do what they seem to see as fit).

    Under this exchange are two positions:

    It is better to suffer wrong than to do wrong (473a- 475e)

      Polus: Suffering wrong is worse than doing wrong...

      Soc: But you agree that doing wrong is "uglier" than suffering wrong.

      And what makes an unjust act "ugly" is that the action is "bad" (i.e., ethically wrong). Thus "doing wrong" is WORSE THAN "suffering wrong" (it is "more evil" than suffering wrong). [Note the distinction between the "bad" and the "painful" that is implicitly drawn here.]

      Therefore, all must agree (despite initial opinions) that "it is better to suffer wrong than to do wrong."

    The unjust man is less unhappy if he is punished than if he escapes and thrives (476a-49e)

      If an act partakes of justice, it is beautiful (and good) He who pays a just penalty receives what is just (not in his body, but in his "soul")

      Hence what he receives is beautiful and good -- not in the sense of being pleasurable to the body, but in the sense of being beneficial to the "soul." How so? -- He is relieved from the "badness of the soul" (and this is the greatest of evils for the soul).

      By not "paying the penalty" one has not been purged from the "sickness of the soul" (just as one who has not undergone painful medical treatments persists in the disease of the body).

      Therefore, someone who is "justly punished" is BETTER OFF than someone who "escapes just punishment."

      Conclusion: If this be the case, then the life of Archelaus is the WORST LIFE [he did wrong and he escaped punishment] (478e-479a) -- and rhetoric is only useful to the likes of him (those who wish to commit crimes and escape punishment (c. 480)) -- it is of no use to the just man (481b)

Part III Socrates vs. Callicles (481c-527e)

    1. If Kathy is good, Kathy is good because of the goodness in her.
    2. If Sharon is evil, Sharon is evil because of the evil in her.
    3. Kathy can be pained and still be good, so Goodness and Pain can go together.
    4. Sharon can be pleased and still be evil, so Evil and Pleasure can go together.
    5. But Evil and Goodness cannot go together.
    6. Therefore, Evil and Goodness ARE NOT THE SAME AS Pain and Pleasure.

    (How would this read by inserting Socrates and Archelaus?)

    Second formal argument:

    1. There is such a thing as "bad pleasure."
    2. There is no such thing as "bad goodness."
    3. Therefore, Pleasure IS NOT THE SAME AS Goodness.

Epilogue: The Mythos of Judgment (523a-527e)

At the end of the dialogue, Socrates tells a 'story' about the Homeric description of the passage into the Isles of the Blest and the dark realm of Tartarus. In this passage people are judged not by their 'outside appearance' but on the nature of their 'soul.' Plato seems to use this story to persuade those who may not have followed the previous argument. The story shows that the philosopher Socrates rather than the tyrant Archelaus has truly lived the best life -- and precisely because that life was a just and good life. Does it appear here that Plato is demonstrating a positive aspect of rhetoric -- its use in a just cause?


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Robert Cavalier / Carnegie Mellon University